braided line help

[slimeofsnail]

if i was going to buy some braid line would i use the same strength as mono lets say i fish at the moment with 10 lb mono line would i use braid of 10 lb

i hear braid line fishing makes you feel all the movement ???

do you fill your whole reel with braid & use it as normal???

does it tie well ????

thanks

[madcaravanner]

Never used it

It supposed advantage is it doesn't stretch before it breaks

I've seen too many fish where they've turned and got scrubbed by the line and lost skin not just scales -- trouble is they've all been dead as infection sets in and kills them

you see t less with modern coated braids than you did o nthe old un-coated ones but I like monofilament

[CARPER UK]

its not for me i seen it in use on the underwater fishing dvds looks like rope with all the air bubbles on it.
theres no stretch so i bet more fish will be lost at the net also but i have never used it so this is just what ive seen .

i think you can go really high on strenth and still have a thin line

THIS IS COPY N PASTE BELOW BUT MY HELP


Out of about 15 years of fishing i have found many pros and cons between the both... heres how i see it... and to be fair, im on the fence on this issue, because im about to get a new outfit and am trying to decide what to put on it...


Braid : Pros -
- Very little to no memory -Much like my grandfather, Braid has little or no memory. Very castable, flows through the guides smooth, little memory in the line helps keep the line flowing through the guides well and reduces slack encountered when mono loops.
- Very sensitive. Because it has very little or no stretch to it, you can feel every rock, bump,or structure
- Small Diameter/High strength allows you to load more line onto a reel that would take less mono of the same strength
- High strength. There are no weaknesses put into the line from pulling(not abrasion). Where mono stretches and kinks, braid will not, which doesn't create these stress points.
- Knots and bird's nests CAN be easier. Don't eat me alive on this, because with any line knots suck.. But i have found that on braid many times you can, with enough pressure, pull and pop a knot out of the line...
- Knots are stronger. The knots to attach your lure to the line are incredibly strong, and again, because of the no stretch or distortion of braid, i have rarely(twice-EVER) had line break at the knot.
Cons -
- Very subseptable to abbrasion - Braids are very easily broken by sharp things. Mono is as well, but not nearly as much as braid. eg.- take 30 # mono leader and 30# braid to a knife... fold it over the blade and start to slide it... the braid will break very quickly, while the mono will take more pressure and more sliding.
- WATCH YOUR HANDS! don't get it wrapped around anywhere on your body with anything pulling, or kiss that part goodbye. EASILY slices through skin and hurts like a #^%*. ***One boat i went on wouldn't let me use my rod because i had PP on***
- Much more visible...to the fish. Doesn't have the "Dissapearing" ability many mono lines do.
- Shock. As much as the no stretch ability allows you to feel the bottom, it also hurts because it doesn't absorbe the shock of setting a hook and such, putting stress on your gear, your body, and ANY weak points in the line, including the knot.
- abrasion. Because some brands, such as PP, can have a somewhat abrasive feel to them, i have found that the eat up my rod guides a bit faster, especially the tip. Both my poles had huge knicks in the top guide's ceramic, which then proceeded to fall out in pieces... on both

Mono : Pros -
- Absorbs Shock better than braid.
- Blends into the water well. Fish have a much harder time seeing mono as they do braid, which is why many guys who use braid are forced to use mono or flouro leaders.
- Pretty colors
- Cheaper. Bottom line, some people can't afford to use braid all the time.
- Abrasion resistant - Even though mono will break on sharp things, it can take more abuse than a braid can. Bluefish will slice through braid like butter, but will slowly shred away a mono leader.
- You can cut it with your teeth! Don't even try this with braid, not gonna happen. Although it can get painful above 30#, i have seen some old timers slice through 100# with one chomp... I actually met a guy who had his right front tooth sharpened slightly to make it easier to cut heavy line.. thats hardcore.
- Won't slice through your hands or your gear. Simply put, braid hurts things. Mono is smooth and, of course depending on the pressure, won't slice through your hand like braid and won't slowly chew up your rod guides.

Cons -
- Stress points form in mono from Kinks, knots, stretch, and abrasion. a kink in the line from a pulled out birds nest or knot or simply the knot at the lure, and stetch from fighting a fish, tightening a knot, or just pulling on it, all cause stress points that weaken mono. These stress points are the most likely points at which the mono will break.
- Memory. Probably the main thing people hate about mono. Mono has the ability to conform to the shape it is kept in.... in this case, on a reel. The memory gets worse over time, and worse the cheaper of a brand you buy. Memory can make line unfishable at times, and also hinders the castabillity of the line. When the memory is severe, the looping of the line causes extra slack due to the fact that extra line is being pulled of the spool. This slack can also lower the power of a hookset because the line is not taught.
- Thicker/Not as strong. Mono depends on the thickness of the line for strength, whereas braid doesn't neccessarily have to worry about size.thicker mono is stronger, but you can't load as much on your spool, can't cast it as easily, and knots are more difficult to tie.
- Doesn't last as long as braid. IMHO, mono deteriorates faster than braid, especially in salt water.

Well there ya go... this is what i have found over the years of fishing with both braid and mono... feel free to add to it, i hope it helps some of you guys out there !
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[slimeofsnail]

i think i will stick to the mono it sounds more better for the fish & safer to me aswell
cheers for the copy & paste

[billy barbel]

I use braid to spool my fly reels as a backing line, it does have its uses but i think that the mono guys are developing better and stronger lines all the time. kryston for example is a very good strong line and an example of a more advanced engineered line compared to braid, braid has its place but not with me where mainline is concerned.

[asoftuk]

In my eyes the only time braid should be used is for spod work or marker floating / feature finding.

If you get an over enthusiastic fisher using braid it can cause cause damage to the mouth of the fish, sometimes even rip clean thru the lips of a carp if they pull to hard or fast.

[Burnt]

I use braid for the majority of my fishing.... it casts better than mono is much thinner for it's BS and has nowhere near the elesticity of mono giving better bite indication at range.
I use a higher BS than I would mono resulting in less lost fish, I also find it has better abrasion resistance than mono.
I back my reels with cheap mono of around the same diameter of the braid I'm using (I'm sure my XBR's would take over a 1000m if I didn't back it)
.... using a spare spool I reel on 300m of braid then fill the spool with the mono.... then swap spools and reel it back to put the mono under the braid, this way the spool is fully loaded and no expensive braid is wasted.

Braid isn't good in unexperienced hands tho... a casting glove or at least a finger stall are a must when using it.... often different knots will be required.... and extra care is require when playing a fish to protect it from injury.

[mullet-fisherman]

braid can be a right pain in the backside sometimes, especially if you are using it with light floats etc.

use it with heavy things such as if you were ledgering etc

[madcaravanner]

Originally Posted by mullet-fisherman

braid can be a right pain in the backside sometimes, especially if you are using it with light floats etc.

use it with heavy things such as if you were ledgering etc

Braid isn't made for lightweight fishing it's main reason d'etre is long range heavy weight fishing

and I personally still don't like it BUT

I like Burnt's novel way of loading a spool am going to remember that one

[mullet-fisherman]

its a bugger to untangle aswell